Last 2 tiers

[Rangers GM (Victor)]

Still opposed to the lowest tier having 4 tags. Saying it was inplace when the league started isnt enough to keep it as the league has been evolving since it started. I wouldnt be opposed to having 3 "open" tags but limiting them to max of 2 of each type. So they could have 2 franchise and 1 restricted or 2 restricted and 1 franchise.

Also, like the evolvement of reaching 1 salary cap. I dont like the everyone thinks it should take 5 YEARS. Thats crazy... maybe 3yrs max or just let everyone know that next year we move to just $130.... Maybe a 3yr plan like this might work :

2014 : tier 1 - $135M, tier 2 - $125M, tier 3 - $115M
2015 : tier 1 - $132M, tier 2 - $128M, tier 3 - $123M
2016 : all teams go to $130M

Think its a huge jump for tier 3 to gradually get 40M cap boost in 4yrs. Think the tags in the end just be 1 of each so that the FA pool is always deep and allows all teams a pretty equal chance of going from last to first. That is why limiting the tag limit to 3 is crucial as the lower teams will grow accustomed to having so many and now be 2 short.

[Cubs GM (Beau)]

I am assuming the tags will stabilize also. If we are moving away from big/small market teams (which I am perfectly fine with), then everyone needs the same amount of tags also. And I agree with Vic that the timeline seems extended. I personally see a compromise like this:

2014: T1: 135M with 2 tags, T2: $125M with the same tags they have now and T3: $115M with three tags that can be used as flexible
2015: Everyone $130 or $135M (choose) with 2 tags, one each

Really sticking that extra year in there seems to hinder the big markets, $4M for a tag is not worth it (as I obviously think a tag is worth more than 10M anyways).


EDIT: I guess that means I am voting for Plan 3

[Pirates GM (Hollar)]

I believe for this year we should go with tier 3 of the cap having a flex tag, plus one of each of the others.. I agree with the Rangers that a third tag will limit free agency, and the tier 3 teams already have a bit of an advantage in FA due to getting a larger cap boost than the other tiers. The flex balances this out a bit, and we can start evening out the caps in the future.

[Former Twins GM (Robin)]

Three tags with one flex works just fine for me. As for the cap increase, I still prefer slower, but would vote for Victor's suggested compromise plan rather than plan 3 if most owners are in favor of a shorter timetable.

[Padres GM (Amy)]

I agree with the flex tag.

[Former Angels GM (Mike C.)]

Plan 2

or

Plan 3 if its changed to $135m in 2015...Ok with rule changes to make things fair if they make sense as long as they aren't changed after FA begins.

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Nov 7, 2013 7:42:42 GMT -8 Former Twins GM (Robin) said:

The new tier plans looks great. I'd be fine with either of the first two options, but option 1 appeals to me the most as it seems to offer the most balanced transition. Plan 3 isn't a deal breaker for me, but it is the most abrupt. As such, it might pose a problem both to maxed out upper tier teams and potentially to us bottom feeders as well. The fear would be that there would be a price escalation run on the quality FA with more available $ which would reduce the relative value of the the $ bump. Also new owners might be tempted to spend too large chunks of their money in one place. (see Nick Swisher, eeesh)

Maybe there's a middle ground between 1/2 and 3? Yes, 3 is abrupt but why on earth stretch this out til 2018.

Something needs to be done about the difference between the bottom two tiers this off-season. If we can't agree on an extra tag, just give 15m to the bottom tier. Yes, it's a boon to the bottom tier but we've been playing with a 50-card deck this entire time. Also, it fits the overall goal of evening the tiers, anyway.

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Is there a list somewhere for which team is in which tier? When I read all the rules, I never found which teams fall into which tiers.

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Nov 27, 2013 15:58:55 GMT -8 @jamesonfleming said:

Is there a list somewhere for which team is in which tier? When I read all the rules, I never found which teams fall into which tiers.

It's in the thread titled "Salary Cap" in the rules.

pbfantasybaseball.proboards.com/thread/3/salary-cap

[Rangers GM (Victor)]

I would like to keep the tiers but if being just 1 cap is the goal, I think this has been the best solution, IMO :

2014 : tier 1 - $135M, tier 2 - $125M, tier 3 - $115M
2015 : tier 1 - $132M, tier 2 - $128M, tier 3 - $123M
2016 : all teams go to $130M

[Reds GM (Pat H.)]

The CO has set the new salary cap schedule going forward. It is in the official rules.

pbfantasybaseball.proboards.com/thread/3/salary-cap

[Cubs GM (Beau)]

Dec 1, 2013 12:22:14 GMT -8 Reds GM (Pat H.) said:

The CO has set the new salary cap schedule going forward. It is in the official rules.

pbfantasybaseball.proboards.com/thread/3/salary-cap

Gotta say I HATE that 2015 reconfiguration. Tier One drops money while others pull within $5M and keep an extra tag. Triple whammy.

PS- That Robert Andino thing is hilarious

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Dec 1, 2013 13:41:24 GMT -8 Cubs GM (Beau) said:

Dec 1, 2013 12:22:14 GMT -8 Reds GM (Pat H.) said:

The CO has set the new salary cap schedule going forward. It is in the official rules.

pbfantasybaseball.proboards.com/thread/3/salary-cap

Gotta say I HATE that 2015 reconfiguration. Tier One drops money while others pull within $5M and keep an extra tag. Triple whammy.

PS- That Robert Andino thing is hilarious

You have 2 years to plan for it. In the mean time, you have 20m extra in cap over tier 3 and only 1 less tag.

[Cubs GM (Beau)]

Dec 3, 2013 11:13:52 GMT -8 @pfavole said:

Dec 1, 2013 13:41:24 GMT -8 Cubs GM (Beau) said:

Gotta say I HATE that 2015 reconfiguration. Tier One drops money while others pull within $5M and keep an extra tag. Triple whammy.

PS- That Robert Andino thing is hilarious

You have 2 years to plan for it. In the mean time, you have 20m extra in cap over tier 3 and only 1 less tag.

May I suggest we consider 135M for everyone in 2016? My argument would be that Real Life salaries have exploded, as seen in the linked MLBTR article. It would be good to keep pace so RL and PB contracts do not get polarized.

www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/market-re-set-2013-14-free-agent-spending-to-date.html

Just a thought.

[Former Angels GM (Mike C.)]

just so I am clear...

tier 1

130 mil in 2013
135 mil in 2014
133 mil in 2015
130 mil in 2016

hmmmm interesting

[Former Angels GM (Mike C.)]

ok, just to clarify...

the min salaries went up to 500k last year with the understanding that all tiers would get a 5 million dollar bump in salary cap which was agreed upon.

So if the the salary cap goes down, wouldn't the min go back down to 400k?

Tier 1

130 in 2013
135 in 2014
133 in 2015
130 in 2016...but

Tier 2 and 3 actually gain in salary cap?

Not quite understanding why Tier 1 doesn't stay at 135 and tiers 2 and 3 aren't moved up to 135....

If I am a tier 1 team which I am and it made sense to raise the min salaries to 500k if the cap went up, if my cap goes down...then it would make sense that the min salaries go back down to 400k

[Former Angels GM (Mike C.)]

sorry, all 3 posts didn't show up on my screen, not sure why yet...my bad.

[Cubs GM (Beau)]

Me and Mike obviously agree. I think we need to have 135 in 2016 (and 2015 for that matter) with an eye toward 140M there soon after. The big squads should have some say in this new salary system. And that is a very little piece of compromise that can make everyone happy.

[Reds GM (Pat H.)]

I understand the argument. I will push to make everyone 135. We will discuss it and get back to you.

[Cubs GM (Beau)]

Thanks Pat!