Minor Leaguers, Draftees and their salaries

[Reds GM (Pat H.)]

This was posted on the cbox today.

I copied and pasted it for all to see.

Pat(Reds): I guess what I'm saying is: right now we have three different types of minor leaguers. 1 a player that started on our original rosters. 2. A player that we drafted. 3. a player won as a FA and signed to a flat minor league AAS contract. So if the player wasn't signed as a free agent to a minor league contract with an AAS, then we go by real life salary?

Braves: players won in FA get their AAS same every year until the 1st year they are protected at real-life salary
so if u have mike olt at $3M AAS u pay him 3m aas until the year after he plays 50 games then u pay him rls for 4 years
players on our original rosters and those we drafted are $400k unless they have a mlb deal in place like yonder alonso, bryce, harper, etc.

Pat(Reds): OK that is good explanation. I Hope this clarifies things for everyone. As long as they read the cbox.
It actually includes more players than you think because of player service time in MLB.
For example I have Juan Francisco who here in PB is still a Milb player and hasn't entered protection yrs yet. In real life he has enough service time that he made .414 Mil last yr.

Braves: that is something we don't count unless the contract is concrete i believe

Pat(Reds): I was just going by what Cot's has listed and I guess that is something we need to have answered.

Braves: that what francisco would make in majors but if in minors he doesn't make that so theres no concrete mlb deal in place
i guess pb needs to answer or explain

Braves: i'd personally vote that any draft prospects making under $3M in salary in mlb are just flat $400k and any draft prospects making $3M or more then we increase the # so only for guys like darvish, cespedes, etc.

Pat(Reds): I think with the new CBA in MLB that from now on they cant give Major League contracts to players being drafted. So it may only apply to Foreign imports in the future. Never mind: According to Jayson Stark the only exception will be for drafted players who have scholarships in other sports. In other words some of the best athletes.

PB (Nats): Correct, in the future drafted players can't get MLB deals, so moving forward all draftees would have salaries of $400K. What Kevin said before about originals/draftees is right, along with signed players. But in regards to a case like Francisco, that is something I don't believe is outlined in the rules, however, the golden rule is that we work off Cot's, so if he's on Cot's, take that salary.

PB (Nats): That only applies to originals and draftees, however, as signed players have that distinct salary attached to them until they lose eligibility.

PB (Nats): If anybody has any suggestions to make it more concrete, please post things like this in a thread in either the General Board or Suggestions, so it's readily available for all to see.

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Once a minor leaguer has played one game in the majors, he is ineligible for the minor league roster. At that point has technically entered into the five year protection phase of his contract. Therefore you must keep him on the 40 man active roster and pay him either the AAS you signed him to (if signed as a PB free agent) until he uses up his first year of protection (50 gms, 10 starts, 30 appearances, etc.), if he is an original roster member you pay him whatever salary cot's has him listed at, or in the case cot's does not have a listed salary you pay him the PB league minimum of $400K. I think this is all correct.

[Reds GM (Pat H.)]

I agree with what you are saying, I am just trying to make the rules a little easier to understand.

The rules are a little unclear.

Three Types of Players


For the purpose of PB's Fantasy Baseball, there are three types of players:




Minor Leaguers - A player who has not appeared in a MLB game.

Prospects - A player that is under control through the 5-year prospect system.

Major Leaguers - A player that has exceeded the 5-year prospect system.

The draft is for minor leaguers only. But, in the draft, a player is eligible to be drafted even if he has appeared in a major league game, but as long as he hasn't appeared in enough games to use his first yr of protection. In other words, any player that hasn't met the 10,30,50 thresholds is eligible to be drafted and are treated as minor leaguers. So right now we have players that are kind of in between minor leaguers and prospects.

Example: Eric Hurley SP LAA who is ineligible to be signed as a FA before the draft. He has appeared in the Majors.

All I'm saying is shouldn't the definition of a Minor Leaguer be:

A player who hasn't appeared in enough games to qualify for the protection process.

Then we can make the rule that your 10 man Minors roster can only include Minor League players who have never appeared in the Majors.

My only question then would be: When do they become ineligible for the 10 man minors list? As soon as they appear in a game or the season after.

[kevin]

Feb 16, 2012 6:19:36 GMT -8 Reds GM (Pat H.) said:

I agree with what you are saying, I am just trying to make the rules a little easier to understand.

The rules are a little unclear.

Three Types of Players


For the purpose of PB's Fantasy Baseball, there are three types of players:




Minor Leaguers - A player who has not appeared in a MLB game.

Prospects - A player that is under control through the 5-year prospect system.

Major Leaguers - A player that has exceeded the 5-year prospect system.

The draft is for minor leaguers only. But, in the draft, a player is eligible to be drafted even if he has appeared in a major league game, but as long as he hasn't appeared in enough games to use his first yr of protection. In other words, any player that hasn't met the 10,30,50 thresholds is eligible to be drafted and are treated as minor leaguers. So right now we have players that are kind of in between minor leaguers and prospects.

Example: Eric Hurley SP LAA who is ineligible to be signed as a FA before the draft. He has appeared in the Majors.

All I'm saying is shouldn't the definition of a Minor Leaguer be:

A player who hasn't appeared in enough games to qualify for the protection process.

Then we can make the rule that your 10 man Minors roster can only include Minor League players who have never appeared in the Majors.

My only question then would be: When do they become ineligible for the 10 man minors list? As soon as they appear in a game or the season after.

you can put guys who have appeared in mlb games on your milb roster

BUT

you cannot play them in your lineup on fantrax, cbs, whatever if u have them down there

again, these are only guys who haven't reached 1 year of service time as defined by our league rules

for example i could stick yonder alonso down to the milb roster but i can't put him in my lineup ever if hes down there

[Nationals GM (Preston - Old)]

Actually you're only half right Kevin. Once a guy has played in a MLB game, he can remain on your 10 man and like you said, and not accumulate stats. However, once called up to the 40-man, you cannot send him back down again. The 10-man minor league roster is strictly for those who haven't played in the pros.

Somewhat related, players who were at any point in the minors can count toward your 10-man minor league roster minimum.

Feb 16, 2012 7:00:54 GMT -8 @kevin said:

Feb 16, 2012 6:19:36 GMT -8 Reds GM (Pat H.) said:

I agree with what you are saying, I am just trying to make the rules a little easier to understand.

The rules are a little unclear.


The draft is for minor leaguers only. But, in the draft, a player is eligible to be drafted even if he has appeared in a major league game, but as long as he hasn't appeared in enough games to use his first yr of protection. In other words, any player that hasn't met the 10,30,50 thresholds is eligible to be drafted and are treated as minor leaguers. So right now we have players that are kind of in between minor leaguers and prospects.

Example: Eric Hurley SP LAA who is ineligible to be signed as a FA before the draft. He has appeared in the Majors.

All I'm saying is shouldn't the definition of a Minor Leaguer be:

A player who hasn't appeared in enough games to qualify for the protection process.

Then we can make the rule that your 10 man Minors roster can only include Minor League players who have never appeared in the Majors.

My only question then would be: When do they become ineligible for the 10 man minors list? As soon as they appear in a game or the season after.

you can put guys who have appeared in mlb games on your milb roster

BUT

you cannot play them in your lineup on fantrax, cbs, whatever if u have them down there

again, these are only guys who haven't reached 1 year of service time as defined by our league rules

for example i could stick yonder alonso down to the milb roster but i can't put him in my lineup ever if hes down there

[Reds GM (Pat H.)]

OK what about a guy like the aforementioned Hurley?

If I draft him or sign him as a free agent (to a minor league deal of less than 1M AAS), can I put him on my 10 man minor league roster?

What about minor leaguers involved in trades?

If for example Alonso was on team 1's 40 man roster then gets traded to team 2. Can team 2 put him on their 10 man minor league roster?

[Deleted]

For trades I imagine you cannot put him on your 10 man MiLB roster because like Preston said when he has been called up to the 40 man roster he cannot ever go back down.

Not sure about drafted/signed minor leaguers, I'd like to think they are not eligible because they have played in an MLB game.

[Former Angels GM (Mike C.)]

wow, hey Phils, even veteran teams were unclear of the rules or understood the rules were not completely clear.....who would have thought?